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How many people have someone who loves them waiting in their own world? What if people love you here too? I don't mean, are you forced to choose between worlds.

[What if one of them is married, and also you don't feel like dealing with other romantic entanglements, and shouldn't really be having that one, but you can't help it, because you never forget your first love?]

Do you think it is disloyal to be with someone like them who is not actually them? Where does that even draw the line anyway? If you love someone and never act on it, is it still considered an affair?

[If you don't give someone your best, what is even the point? But what if you can only give your best to someone who can't have it????]

Completely unrelated: let's open the floor for pokemon name suggestions for anyone STILL STUMPED even a week later, yeah? List the pokemon type, personality, pictures, whatever you want and see if someone can give you name ideas.

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I do. [At least he sure hopes his parents love him. He'd understand if they didn't.]

Depends on what one means by "like them". It doubly depends on what's meant by "love" in that instance. One is, after all, judged by the heart.

[Not gonna touch the poke-question]

Edited 2018-03-10 07:10 (UTC)

Romantically. Not just family.

[Meh. This is stupid anyway. She's here for Jack. And yet....]

Is the question then whether it's disloyal to be romantically involved with someone similar to one prior?

No, unfortunately it's a lot more complicated than that.

That's easy to answer. It's just yes, being similar is no excuse.

[Ugh but how much can she diffuse it so it doesn't literally give away the BEYOND UNIQUENESS of her circumstances?]

Have a for instance:

Someone died. They were person A's first love. But person A moved on and found love after that. Because they thought their first love was dead.

[It's close enough, even Rose referred to falling into Pete's Universe as her death. Since it was officially classified as such. And spending 2-3 years as a ghost didn't help either.]

Only here, that first love could still show up. Or maybe they won't. Holding out hope forever like that isn't even what Person A's first love would want from them. But if they try to love someone else now, the more those other people remind them of their first love, they're just reminded of what they really want, yeah?

And that's not fair to anyone. Person A, their first love, or anyone else. Although the everyone else could be secure in their own position, but what Person A's first love really DID show up? Then what??

Edited 2018-03-10 07:34 (UTC)

Did Person A and A's first love exchange wedding vows?

[Cause otherwise lol it doesn't count]

[That depends entirely on your idea of marriage.]

[Since she knows his true name. And Jack's.]

[But didn't before.]

[But might have with Meta.]

[And this is still off on another theoretical level that doesn't matter.]

Let's say they're not from Earth, but did their world's equivalent. And then one died in a war. And so did Person A actually. A lot. [THIS IS NOT GIVING HER AWAY AT ALL :V] And so did anyone else they might love here.

Death is complicated here, isn't it?

[Don't get him started on death or he'll start talking about the thirteenth arcana or something. He'll just take all that as a "yes" and move on.]

So Person A was married, the spouse died, and they're considering marriage with another they can't fully give their heart to?

God.

No.

Person A was married, their spouse died, they died, they remarried, they are here now and anyone they ever loved or married could show up.

But that's not fair to anyone.

Look did you ever read Xanth by Piers Anthony? And there's the part where Humphrey goes to Hell to find his wife Rose, [......... ROSE PAUSES AND RAISES A FINGER IN OBJECTION TO THIS. IT IS NOT HER BLOODY FAULT THE CHARACTER IS NAMED THAT!!! alksdjas;lkdjasl;dkjas;ldkjas;ldkj And she's actually screaming into a pillow because of anyone in Xanth... the Doctor is definitely Humphrey. And this is horrible. So horrible.] only his other 5 or 7 or however many wives were there as well because he wound up living stupidly longer than he thought he would.

[BASHING HER HEAD ON A WALL BBL.]

Fortunately Rose in the story worked out an agreement with his other wives, because they all wanted freedom from Hell, so they took turns, (the devil thought they would all turn and fight each other so that's why he was willing to entertain the idea) but reality is nothing like that.

Especially since Person A's first love is not in Hell, just dead. And dead is kind of temporary and confusing here, yeah?

[Ted hasn't read many books that make it anywhere near modernity. That one sounds a little insipid, if only for Humphrey's (apparently) terrible taste in women. He couldn't find even one wife that was not damned? The name "Rose" does make him think of her and her tendency to type very, very much on the slightest provocation.]

Oh. So person A is already married?

[He hopes so; easiest riddle ever.]

[ALL THE BANGING OF HEAD.]

[Also Ted, ACTUALLY: Rose was NOT damned to hell in Xanth, that was why Humphrey went to rescue her. She was kidnapped by a demon, but at the time, he didn't have the power to do anything about it. So he drank a forgetful potion and for 100 years, he did forget. Then he remembered. Strangely Rose was so much like Rose Tyler she just made Hell a pleasant-er place for everyone (with her roses :V) and everyone grew attached to her, and she was too loyal to everyone else to leave them to their fates, despite still loving her husband even though he LITERALLY FORGOT HER FOR A HUNDRED YEARS AND REMARRIED A BUNCH OF TIMES BETWEEN THEN! Xanth is a stupid series sometimes.]

I don't think you're getting it.

[By that kiddy version of hell, Ted's pretty sure it's a stupid series all the time. Hell is not fun. It has not even the most remote chance of being fun. Dante was probably soft-balling it!]

Perhaps. But if person A has successfully married another, and is in the marriage currently, what's the issue? That they still think of their first love every so often, and that potentially, the first may come up and muddy the matter?

[Yes, well, all of Xanth is powered by a demon so...]

[There's that.]

[Moving on, it's more:]

[That their first love is here. That she was trying to ask about people like Meta-Crisis who couldn't come probably, because he was still inside 10 who was loving 2 other people. And if she can accept Ten loving other people, then why can't she with 12? OH RIGHT BECAUSE MARRIED. BECAUSE MARRIED, 1000 YEARS, AND ALSO TRYING NOT TO CAUSE HIM PAIN.]

[The Doctor was her first love.]

[What does that make Meta? She never even worked things out with him before coming here.]

[But he loves her.]

[More importantly... needs her.]

[And if he was here...]

[This wouldn't be an issue.]

[She debates picking up Shakespeare, but even his most dramatic wasn't as convoluted as this, and everything resolved too easily.]

Your view on marriage might be too constricting for this equation. [Since River had 11. And apparently others. Who weren't here, but whatever.]

Let's go back to the everyone dying and dead thing.

Person A's first love was dead. But that doesn't count as dead here. Do you owe loyalty to someone like that now? If so, do all marriages then become simultaneous, or null and void?

Edited 2018-03-10 08:35 (UTC)

Marriage tends to be a constricting thing, with its emphasis on oaths and bonds.
If Person A is, at this point in time, married to one, that's who they're bound to, whoever happens to come in again. Let's not consider polygamy.

Okay, my analogy made this worse.

Start over.

Back with the first question.

If you have someone who loves you romantically

[But is a clone and loves you because of something their past did, and also their alternate future is here and HE'S married, but his wife is complicated and --]

[There has GOT to be a way to do this without the specifics!] And you aren't married, but could be in the future to them.

If they come here, they might remember marrying you. But on the other hand, they might not, they may never come, they might not marry you; maybe you're just being silly and hoping too much out of whatever relationship you had.

If you date their brother/sister here, how creepy and biblical in-law incestuous is that?

"Could be"? If they remember it, is it not, for them, a fact?

Yes.

I see. So potentiality for the subject is actuality for the other.

Well, that would certainly be very confusing for the other, but I'd say marrying the sibling, however strange, is licit.

Why?

[Cause he said so that's why now go to your room]

I don't think one's culpable for bigamy if the other marriage in question is for another's separate future.

Edited 2018-03-10 09:13 (UTC)

Okay, that works, and that's fair.

But what happens if the first sibling does come?

[The days she feels like only Meta could begin to understand her problems grows and grows...]

Or what if the other sibling has other potential wives/husbands show up? [That they thought they were dead. No wait let's not add that back to the mix.]

Then one's in for a complicated conversation. Grace and courtesy would be my recommendation.

Potential for who? In general? I wouldn't worry; what eligible spouse would not be considered "potential" in that case?

Yeah, but that's exactly it. Do you then just let everyone be married to whoever then? You already said you didn't want to go for polygamy.

Couldn't one simply stay married to who they're bound to first?

[Does anon have a chalkboard function? They might need one.]

What does first even mean here in that case though?

[GET OUT YOUR CHALKBOARD TED. You might have one in the void still if you didn't dump it back on Rose.]

Let's say you were dating the sibling first, but then they moved on and you dated their other sibling.

And here neither of you knew it. But the sibling went back to the dreamdocks, got married in another time, married you here, and also you married their sibling in your own world. Then everyone shows up together.

Who's on first?
What's on second?
I don't know's manning third.
Tomorrow's pitching.

[He may have kept whatever the Doctor left behind, yeah. It's not theft; just forgetfulness!]

If that matches the examples previously given, I'd say that so long as the marriages were lawfully enacted, the current one remains valid with respect to Genessia first and foremost. Who does that leave?

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